Daren (L) holds Mama and Ava (R) holds Burger, the couple’s dogs. / 📸 Shua Buhangin

NGL: My last question for you: look, you’re on this side of the mountain now, right?

It doesn’t mean that there’s not more mountains to climb. But being on this side, if you were to do it all over again—joining SourceFed, going all in on your music career, working for creators like Smosh and Jarvis Johnson, TikTok, Miles Away, all of this finally leading up to this show—what would you change, if anything?

DVG: That’s a good question. Would I change anything?

I don’t know if I would change any decisions I’ve made—whether that’s videos I released or people that I worked for. I think the only thing I would try to do is approach creativity with more grace. I was so hard on myself for so many years, and I think it was to my detriment.

Like sure, I think with time I got better because, just like with anything: you do reps, you’re going to get stronger. But I did it from a place that was so unhealthy, and it didn’t bring as much joy into my life that it could have. I could have been making songs and videos and whatever and having the time of my life, but instead I was making songs and videos, and it was like pulling teeth every time, which got me to this point.

So I can’t be angry at myself, and I’m not angry at myself. But I just think it could have been a smoother ride.

NGL: I feel that. Any last thoughts or comments?
DVG: As I end this chapter of my life, do I have any last comments?

Um…I just hope that the show finds the exact person that it needs to find. I didn’t know that I was making such a serious show. I didn’t know that it was going to be as heavy as it is. And at first, I was scared of that.

But I have to remind myself that while I love making people laugh, I also really enjoy having deep conversations and talking about my feelings and other people’s feelings and how they think about things when it comes to emotional IQ. And I want to embrace that version of me even more.
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